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Thanks From a Reader

Magnacarta,

I just want to thank and applaud you for all of the advice and gold buying education you’ve given on your site. I’ve felt sorry for the many US, Chinese, and European buyers that have unknowingly traveled to Africa and got scammed. The scammers play for keeps. They show NO mercy. I pray that every buyer that wants to purchase gold from Africa reads your site on buyer’s education of buying gold in Africa.

MIBE

Just got scammed in Ghana – I should have listened

The following is a conversation with someone that has been interested in going to Ghana on a gold buying expedition. He finally got the adventure he was looking for ..

[3:50:59 PM] MY FRIEND: I just lose my face in Accra they scam me, I know you warned me, but I didn’t want to hear all your old advice. Very bad in Accra now. I go to police and nothing

[3:51:41 PM] ME: so you went there and lost money?

[3:52:09 PM] MY FRIEND: I lose money and ticket and hotel now need 500$ to leave. Been waiting on the police 10 days now. I go to Dubai and then Accra after meet the buyer and borrow money for the documents and this man 3 years with me online now I am sure all scam only.

[3:53:23 PM] ME: Wow. I did warn you buddy – for years

[3:53:41 PM] MY FRIEND: ohhh yea

[3:55:25 PM] ME: so what happened?

[3:55:58 PM] MY FRIEND: same story but with other way, they come to me from Benin with fake gold. I take deposit of gold and pay $9000

[3:56:28 PM] ME: no testing? acid?

[3:56:35 PM] MY FRIEND: after I try check it find it sand. They switch it

[3:56:47 PM] ME: yep. That is how it’s done. The police will not help you. All they will do is take money from you – and from the crooks too if they catch them. The government will not help either

[3:58:05 PM] MY FRIEND: ohhhh.

[3:58:29 PM] MY FRIEND: I dream back anything. I borrowed the money from friend in Egypt

[3:58:41 PM | Edited 3:58:51 PM] ME: Their mentality is that it is your fault – for being greedy. They really do not blame the scammers. They blame you – no matter what they might say to you. That is how their culture is. Sorry buddy – you got off better than most… some have lost a whole lot more.

Trade gold in the bush in Ghana

Question

Hello, am happy to write you this mail, let me be straight to you, yes there are false sellers in Ghana especially the online guys, they are all fake, i have encounter so much with this scammers and i wasn’t able to get a real sellers. I gold buyer comes to Ghana and wanted me to help him buy gold, i brought most of the so claim gold sellers to him but since they got to know that, we are going to PMMC or AA minerals then they don’t want to. Now am looking forward to partner with a good buyer who might be ready to help me go to the bust and make a better offer to them but first of all, we need to put up a company which will be in regard of purchasing and we can smelt it right there and from community to community we can bring all of them under our group and they wont come to the city to  sell because they got a good offer from us. I hope to hear from you so that we talk about this more.

Answer

We have already tried that idea. The problem is the price as well as the distance to Accra or Kumasi to sell the gold. Not only that, but the profit is @ 3% which is hardly worth the effort.

Question

OK thanks for  reply but i want u to know that, u have not buy directly from the bush,you need a whole lot of miners who are will be ready to sell for you and all u need is your gold weighing machine and u can smelt it right there as well but i want to know where you are right now,are you in Ghana?

One thing i want you to you is that the more you buy the more you make the profit because you don’t expect to make profit whiles you only bought 1kg of gold and about the distance,from Tarkwa to Accra is not all that far and moreover you don’t need to go to the bush,that will be done by me and some few people we might employ to help we out,we can make money out of this,i know and with you as a white man and your personality,you can arrange for sales at refinery at AA minerals and we can make a lot of money.

Answer

We were offered the opportunity to participate in a gold buying office in Dunkwa. We looked over the math and figured out the BEST anyone could profit is 3%. 3% of $10,000 USD is $300.00 USD. With the Police road blocks, fuel, and general hassle involved + the risk, it is not a business that is worth our time. It is way too easy to lose your money and or your gold in such endeavors.

The only way to make real money in the gold business in Ghana is to mine it.

The ultimate Gold Dust and Gold Dore buying procedure for Brokers

Question

What is the “Correct CIF GOLD procedure / transaction” according to you ?

Answer

You will simply not find anyone to CIF you gold. Period. You cannot use POF instruments to buy gold. If you actually go to where gold comes out of the ground you will understand that is is SOLD before it is even mined. Those that have the funds to purchase the equipment to get the gold out of the ground control the gold. Do you think gold is just lying around in bricks and bars? It takes millions of dollars in equipment to get millions of dollars in gold out of the ground. There is no “extra supply” Gold buyers with cash in hand scour the globe looking for gold… yet brokers that think they are smarter than the game sit and troll the internet looking for stupid sellers that will CIF gold based on POFs and bank instruments… and all that does if fuel the scammers to keep putting out fake offers.

Here is a wake up call – every single offer for gold dust and gold dore “for sale” anywhere on the internet is 100% a scam!

You want to waste a year or two fielding fake offers while becoming an expert at what you think are real procedures -then you are on the right path. here you go – take a look here >> http://www.ecplaza.net/mt799–everything.html

You might as well be asking for FCOs from sellers of Unicorns and Big Foots. It’s ALL fake!!

Gold bar, dust, the quality, quantity, procedure, and price

Question

Please send me the information about gold bar, dust, the quality, quantity,  procedure, price (CIF/FOB) and commission.

Answer

We do not sell gold to third parties. No one that works in the gold trade in Ghana who actually has gold, needs any help selling it – therefore there are no broker commissions ever paid. In Ghana there are gold buying offices in every large city such as Accra and Kumasi as well as every other smaller city such as Bibiani, Obuasi, Dunkwa, Tarkwa, Bogoso and every city in between.

It is ILLEGAL to sell gold dust in Ghana, so don’t ever be fooled into attempting to buy gold dust. 100% of all gold dust “sellers” are fake. They use many methods to part you from your money and leave you empty handed.

No one will ever offer you gold CIF. Anyone offering gold CIF should also be considered a scammer. Anyone that has gold can trade some for cash and ship it anywhere in the world. Gold miners demand top dollar, as anyone that has the money and ability to mine gold would…. If it was you would you sell your gold at a discount? No you wouldn’t.

We found all this out by actually traveling to Ghana in an attempt to buy gold a few years ago. I wish you the best of luck… but if you are trying to find gold “sellers” to work with as a broker and make a commission, you will only find scammers.

We need Gold and we are looking for Seller Mandates

Question

Could you please recommend some Real Seller Mandate for us?

Answer

In short  there are absolutely no legitimate “seller mandates” for gold.

Unlike other physical commodities, no one that has gold needs the help of a sales person to sell it. Gold is MONEY unlike sugar, cement, oil etc. all other physical commodities. There are not places on earth that will take delivery of hard commodities and immediately exchange them for cash unless it precious metal or possibly diamonds.

Seller mandates are simply brokers that are either scammers themselves, or have been unwittingly lured by a scammer and are perpetrating a scam that they are unaware of. The opportunity to make money drives good people to think they are actually a part of a legitimate supply chain, when in fact none of these “mandates” have even been to a mining site in their lives. They in fact think that they can sit behind a computer and find sellers to become “mandates” for and yet never truly vet the source, visit the country, and make sure the supplier is legitimate. Because if they did, they would find that who they are believing in are only scammers.

 

Is it legal to just fly in to Ghana and buy kilos of gold?

Question

We are miner’s agent and work directly with Ghana local miners to buy gold from them and
export to clients at a very good discount rate, without any intermediary involved.
We have the capacity to produce and gather 20-50kg of alluvial gold dust/gold bars every
month. We are now looking for only serious direct buyer who can travel to West Africa Ghana
to inspect and test products on FOB trade basis, are you a buyer or do you know any buyers to refer to us?

Answer


Here are some facts:

It takes a monumental effort to by gold where it is found – many hours down bad roads away from Accra.

Most miners sell their gold in either Tarkwa, Kumasi, Bibiani, or somewhere in between because Accra is HOURS away from where the mining occurs.

Even in remote areas there are gold buying offices paying no less than 5% below the world price.

There is no way you are buying gold at a discount big enough to take the time and go through the logistical hoops required to buy gold “in the bush” and then take it all the way to Accra to sell to foreign buyers – because there is simply too much competition and the price is too high for that to be profitable.

The only conclusion is that you are drawing in buyers that don’t understand all of what was just said in order to scam them in some way…

We are in no way “competitors” because we, just like everyone else that really has gold in Ghana, sell it to the closest legal buyer paying top dollar…. AND you failed to mention that it is ILLEGAL for foreigners to just fly in and by gold. You have to be licensed to do so!

See “buyers” with real money that don’t know the rules can come to Ghana and lose their money to scammers like you because you know that it is illegal for them to buy and have the gold on them. It is real easy to take both the gold and the money – all you have to do is pay off a few “professionals” and your scam is complete.

Refinery Account – Why don’t gold sellers just open one?

Question

Can you answer me a question?

Why don’t all these African mines large or small or companies in Africa selling gold just simply open a refinery account in say Dubai/Switzerland for themselves export their gold to the refinery by themselves and make more money than they would selling their gold directly to a 3rd party with all the hassle it does not make sense to me do you know the answer?

If I were them this is what I would do.

Answer

They either sell their gold locally (near where they mine) or do exactly what you suggested and sent it to a refinery themselves. It takes a serious amount of cash to set up a serious mining operation. Whomever lent or invested that  cash is the one controlling what happens with the gold, and trust me they are selling it for top dollar –  so would you.

The scammers try to get around this basic and reasonable concept by claiming the gold is an inheritance, belongs to the village or the came into the gold by some means other than actually mining it. This concept plays upon the greed in human nature allowing one to think “this is a real deal here” and that is exactly why the scams / scammers never stop. Sooner later someone will fall victim to their own greed and hand out upfront money for shipping or some other payment and lose it all.

 

Who to chose for gold assay in Ghana?

Question

I hope you are well. in your opinion who are the best people to assay test the gold in Ghana? PMMC, ASAP VASA, AA MINERALS OR GEOLOGICAL SURVEY DEPARTMENT?

Answer

I like AA Minerals. The location is easily accessible, their equipment is the best. I don’t honestly understand why everyone goes on and on about the PMMC that place is terrible to get in and out of, crowded, and they are slow.

GSD = NEVER. That place is full of people on the scammers pay roll. Stay far away from that place, Anyone demanding to use that place is 100% a scammer.

Is this Gold Offer legitimate?

Question

Please see email below and attachments – in your opinion do you think this is looks like legitimate paperwork?

Answer

I am not familiar with this countries official documents however no one can buy gold based upon such documents. Someone has to go in person and inspect the goods, perform the testing, and arrange the shipping. NEVER let the seller arrange testing locations or spec shipping companies.

Take the gold out on your person in a brief case or carry on bag. Never let it leave your site once it has been assayed.

Good luck always!

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